tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post5960908088990764700..comments2023-11-03T08:40:36.106+00:00Comments on Stottle's Blog: Is That Democracy On The Horizon?Harry Stottlehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05317879122444519928noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-56327400206175220722010-03-10T21:54:20.707+00:002010-03-10T21:54:20.707+00:00ah, thanks for the analysis Satsui. I take it you ...ah, thanks for the analysis Satsui. I take it you read Chinese?Harry Stottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317879122444519928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-58323959562356157132010-03-10T01:37:20.691+00:002010-03-10T01:37:20.691+00:00It was spam anyways.It was spam anyways.Satsuihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00112237407139378078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-47080788926926561132010-03-09T18:45:57.499+00:002010-03-09T18:45:57.499+00:00in case anyone notices and gives a shit, I've ...in case anyone notices and gives a shit, I've deleted the Chinese comments (for being in Chinese). <br /><br />Essentially, I take some responsibility for ensuring that whatever appears on my own blog is something I would permit or even endorse myself (even if that meant a prison sentence in a police state) but when I can't read the comment, I can't exercise that accountability.<br /><br />So anyone who wishes to comment should either submit their comment in English or the language of their choice with a link to a competent translation service so we can validate it's content.Harry Stottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317879122444519928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-360286770945494102010-03-09T08:54:06.055+00:002010-03-09T08:54:06.055+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-36186153140135764982010-02-14T16:24:21.259+00:002010-02-14T16:24:21.259+00:00hmmm, thanks 性感的我
"人必須心懷希望,才會活的快樂,日子才過得充...hmmm, thanks 性感的我<br /><br /> "人必須心懷希望,才會活的快樂,日子才過得充實,有意義,有朝氣,有信心。" <br /><br />and who can argue with that. Certainly not me. Anyone got a clue what it means? Please don't tell me it's a chinese plug for Viagra or something of that ilk...Harry Stottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317879122444519928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-9833431140191124072010-02-14T15:25:08.290+00:002010-02-14T15:25:08.290+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.性感的我https://www.blogger.com/profile/09920351481465919791noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-12037662507583995832009-06-06T12:56:04.683+01:002009-06-06T12:56:04.683+01:00Satsui greetings.
you say:
"when you mentio...Satsui greetings. <br />you say:<br /><br />"when you mentioned a global democracy. I hope you don't mean the entire world under one ruler (or parliament, etc)."<br /><br />the point about REAL Democracy is that there are NO rulers. And the decisions you take are only valid within the appropriate constituency. For example, if we're discussing what colour to paint the bedroom ceiling, only those who share that bedroom have any valid part in the discussion. If it's the colour of the street lighting, it's those who live in the street (although they may decide to pool resources with the wider community, in which case it becomes a community discussion) and so on. <br /><br />Global democracy would deal only with global issues, like global warming. But it wouldn't be a hierarchichal power structure (like some seek for the UN) which could impose global decisions on lower parts of the system. That is an example of precisely the Tyranny we aim to prevent. Its aim - as in all matters genuinely democratic - is to achieve the "3 Cs": Consensus, Co-operation, Compensation. <br /><br />Neither need we fear or oppose healthy competition, particularly in the economic fields. The key to that is what economists have long called - but never defined - <a href="http://harrystottle.stumbleupon.com/review/14566487/" rel="nofollow">Perfect Information</a>. Follow that link for my take on that. <br /><br />Innomen: I'm not sure what you're alluding too. If it's a basic objection to elections, you'll find many instances if you follow the embedded links where I make it very clear - as I said explicitly in my "<a href="http://stottle.blogspot.com/2009/01/authoritarians.html" rel="nofollow">Authoritarians</a>" blog - that "Democracy has NOTHING to do with elections".<br /><br />However, we should have no objections to improving the electoral systems as a major step on the road to Democracy. Providing we don't kid ourselves or others that "representation" = democracy, we haven't compromised or sacrificed any important principle. <br /><br />Cindy: Thankyou<br /><br />Kristen: Yes I am aware of California's "ballot initiatives" and I would argue that - like better electoral systems - they're a useful step on the road to Democracy. They're still too little rather than too much. <br /><br />One of the problems Democrats must face is that a serious political debate is NEVER settled by a Yes or No answer; nor - except on trivial issues - by simple Majority voting. At the very least it will require several yes or no answers, discussions on mitigation of any negative effects a proposal might lead to and consensus on the degree of compliance necessary and what measures are justified to ensure that compliance. <br /><br />In my discussion with "The Prof" following his assertion that "We're not all equal" I include a loose summary of the structure of any intelligent democratic debate:<br /><br />1 There is a problem which needs a solution (evidence)<br />2 There is a potential solution (detail)<br />3 There are potential risks with the solution and ways to mitigate them (detail)<br />4 There are potential costs and ways to fund them (details)<br />5 There are interim and final outcomes we can measure to ensure that the benefits are being achieved and the risks avoided. (detail)<br />6 A level of compliance is required (detail)<br />7 Measures to ensure compliance are required (detail) <br /><br />Each of the above essentially represents a number of "sub debates" which would be necessary and require separate decisions prior to making the final decision on the initial proposition. <br /><br />If you want to get into that level of analysis check out <a href="http://www.fullmoon.nu/rtpforum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=868#868" rel="nofollow">my response</a> to the prof.<br /><br />Unfortunately, one of the obstacles we face is that we need a "critical mass" of people of understand these issues and the complexity of the solutions in order to have any chance of promoting them successfully. We don't, perhaps, need universal understanding, providing that the models we build ARE simple enough to be used and understood by everyone, but we haven't even reached the first milestone yet. So we're looking for volunteers to become part of that critical mass...Harry Stottlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317879122444519928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-17064263826159064302009-06-06T06:16:23.749+01:002009-06-06T06:16:23.749+01:00Interesting post, Harry. Are you familiar with Cal...Interesting post, Harry. Are you familiar with California's system of ballot initiatives? Some people are calling it too much democracy.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11926081156633887115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-47987519297122449732009-06-05T14:22:24.927+01:002009-06-05T14:22:24.927+01:00Excellent observations and solutions- something I&...Excellent observations and solutions- something I've come to expect from this blog :o)Cindy Torreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271159890031916092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-39780152600109965422009-06-05T13:35:30.973+01:002009-06-05T13:35:30.973+01:00Excellent post.
You clearly see a large portion ...Excellent post. <br /><br />You clearly see a large portion of the problem. But I think you've fallen into the same family of intellectual trap that all grass roots types fall into, the same family of trap you've pointed out when you mention the suggested solution of a new round of elections.<br /><br />http://underlore.com/TBA/?p=422Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01767077957809721480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9426656.post-65155909404556831802009-06-04T22:28:23.800+01:002009-06-04T22:28:23.800+01:00I love it, like any other post you have. The only ...I love it, like any other post you have. The only issue I have is at the end when you mentioned a global democracy. I hope you don't mean the entire world under one ruler (or parliament, etc). We need countries and conflict in order to advance. Competition causes "survival of the fittest".<br /><br />This posting kind of relates to my posting on Monoligarchy here: <a href="http://blog.krehnsolutions.com/index.php?catid=1&blogid=1" rel="nofollow">blog.krehnsolutions.com</a>Satsuihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00112237407139378078noreply@blogger.com